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Shayne Hawke · Apr 17, 2010, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by lemming

It's plausible, but unfeasible - that's three hours every day for months, assuming no interruptions. Plus, at the going rate of 20k per point, that's a lot of money.

Or, it could have no cost, if you worked the guild up to champ range yourself and then got in touch with other players doing this. Then you could even make money by selling invitations to other players for the champ points.

And assuming 20k per point and 5k per Z-key, it only costs you twice as much to max Champion as it does Zaishen (only... ha!).

Death Syndrome · Apr 17, 2010, 03:58 PM // 15:58

My suggestion would make both the bought title and the synching both useless, but people would probably just abuse the at's if that is possible.

AmbientMelody · Apr 17, 2010, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Ultimate pvp degeneration.

Nice.

Anet, surprise me actually and ban them all.

It seems like half of the top 100 deserves the ban in one form or another, as well as their socket puppet accounts.

Death Syndrome · Apr 17, 2010, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

Anet, surprise me actually and ban them all.

It would be surprising to me if they banned anyone for breaking any rule at this point.

The people that run this company are a bunch of airheads.

If I remember right Anet used to be part of Blizzard, and they were probably the breast of the brightest that got fired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EvNJ...eature=related

*lemming* · Apr 17, 2010, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Or, it could have no cost, if you worked the guild up to champ range yourself and then got in touch with other players doing this. Then you could even make money by selling invitations to other players for the champ points.

And assuming 20k per point and 5k per Z-key, it only costs you twice as much to max Champion as it does Zaishen (only... ha!).

You need six guilds in champ range and at least seven accounts to manipulate properly. Beyond that, you have to be awake during the dead hours and hope that none of the other champ syncing groups are playing.

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Originally Posted by Death Syndrome

No it is not a bannable offence. You can show the guildwars staff a screenshot of two guilds playing eachother with both teams consisting of the same guild tags in both teams. They will pass it off like there was no proof.

I highly doubt that there's ladder manipulation going on if there's two full teams in.

Death Syndrome · Apr 17, 2010, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by lemming

You need six guilds in champ range and at least seven accounts to manipulate properly. Beyond that, you have to be awake during the dead hours and hope that none of the other champ syncing groups are playing.

I highly doubt that there's ladder manipulation going on if there's two full teams in.

I said same tags, not full teams.

If you want me to be more specific...

LESS = Axis smurf, the members that have a LESS tag are Axis members, and as you can see in this screenshot the team is Axis fighting LESS and AXIS (Which both less, and axis are axis members).

More clearly for you, Everlasting Sonata, Illana Try, Sylvana, and Angela the Reckless are all axis members.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3695/gw045.jpg

That + a video of the game = no ban.

Not to mention LESS is a dead guild with noone in it only used for this purpose and as a smurf, in the same alliance.

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Hello,

Please excuse the delay in our reply; we have an unusually high ticket volume which we are working through as quickly as possible. I reviewed the logs of this incident and could not find a violation. While we do our best to investigate every reported violation, we cannot take action unless we have proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Thanks for your report and please do not hesitate to contact us again!

Regards,
GM CherryViper
The Guild Wars Support Team

There is the genius reply.

These guys obviously know how to run a game.

What kind of person can write a game, but cannot write a simple small fix for bots? I mean come on they clearly DO NOT CARE.

You report something they say /care.

Best thing is with all the reports I filed, I got this same copy/paste message, they probably do not even read the case.

If they do care they do not have brains in their heads.

*lemming* · Apr 17, 2010, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by Death Syndrome

I said same tags, not full teams.

If you want me to be more specific...

LESS = Axis smurf, the members that have a LESS tag are Axis members, and as you can see in this screenshot the team is Axis fighting LESS and AXIS (Which both less, and axis are axis members).

More clearly for you, Everlasting Sonata, Illana Try, Sylvana, and Angela the Reckless are all axis members.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3695/gw045.jpg

That + a video of the game = no ban.

Not to mention LESS is a dead guild with noone in it only used for this purpose and as a smurf, in the same alliance.

I see your point. Have you tried to get the GMs to check IP addresses?

And I believe it'd be a lot easier to report for champ syncing - there's more than one match serving as evidence.

Death Syndrome · Apr 18, 2010, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by lemming

I see your point. Have you tried to get the GMs to check IP addresses?

And I believe it'd be a lot easier to report for champ syncing - there's more than one match serving as evidence.

Is there a valid excuse why this couldn't be seen as ladder manipulation, given the video of the match?

I do not think there is a valid excuse for that period (besides the obvious lack of a brain).

I talked to them and they tossed it off like it never happened, so I was just like screw them they are just as worthless as they are brainless.

It was the second time, that botting I posted on page one in this thread is very obvious bots, as well as this is very obvious ladder manipulation, both got tossed out, nothing happened other than me being told to go play with myself.

*lemming* · Apr 18, 2010, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Death Syndrome

Is there a valid excuse why this couldn't be seen as ladder manipulation, given the video of the match?

I do not think there is a valid excuse for that period (besides the obvious lack of a brain).

Taken completely out of context, what would lead a GM to believe your accusation? One guy guesting doesn't constitute proof in any form; people guest against their own guild often enough.

Death Syndrome · Apr 18, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by lemming

Taken completely out of context, what would lead a GM to believe your accusation? One guy guesting doesn't constitute proof in any form; people guest against their own guild often enough.

Well for one the guild has nobody in it except one person (which is a second account from axis).

That being said it is in the alliance, it actually leads the alliance Axis is in, but the guild LESS is deader than dead. It is owned by lesses (wife?) less = Leader of Axis. Illana try being the one that owns LESS.

The fact that it was all axis members, and one guest, with henchmans should be enough by itself.

Yea someone may guest for another guild.

How often do you have 4/8 being the same guild members and another 3/8 being henchmens, vs the same guild that is 8/8, that are not doing this for ladder manipulating.

I mean really four out of five humans on the team were from the same guild that they were fighting.

To make it visual

I Will Over Throw You [Less]
[Axis]
[Axis]
[Less] (Really an Axis Member)
[Less] (Really an Axis Member)
[bad] (Got no clue who the hell he is)
Henchman
Henchman
Henchman

VS

Axis Nova [Axis]
[Axis]
[Axis]
[Axis]
[Axis]
[Axis]
[Axis]
[Axis]
[Axis]

How often do people guest for their own smurf guilds and fight themselves not to ladder manipulate?

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Then you have the bot deal, now tell me this...

How many times do you get hit with the same exact ranger interrupts from two different rangers at the same exact time?

This happened to everyone on the team, it happened to me alone 3 times in like 25 seconds.

I know I am not the only one who finds that impossible.

I mean shit trying to do it on vent and getting them to hit at the same time would be hard enough to do ONCE, they probably did it thirty plus times in 8 minutes.

How they didn't get banned, I have not the slightest clue.

I mean honestly this is NOT humanly possible, two different human brains do not work so much alike :

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne-Fne4O2-U

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9584/gw020u.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4094/gw019v.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5451/gw018.jpg

There is only one way to get people to actually follow the rules, and do you know what that is?

*lemming* · Apr 18, 2010, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by Death Syndrome

Well for one the guild has nobody in it except one person (which is a second account from axis).

That being said it is in the alliance, it actually leads the alliance Axis is in, but the guild LESS is deader than dead. It is owned by lesses (wife?) less = Leader of Axis. Illana try being the one that owns LESS.

The fact that it was all axis members, and one guest, with henchmans should be enough by itself.

The GMs don't know any of this, and you can't prove any of it to them.

Death Syndrome · Apr 18, 2010, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by Death Syndrome

There is only one way to get people to actually follow the rules, and do you know what that is?

Enforcing them.

Here's a prime example :

I had a few codex synchers in my guild (not sayin names) and they ended up getting banned for like 3 days I think it was, then when they came back from the ban they're all, "I'm never synching codex again!"

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Originally Posted by lemming

The GMs don't know any of this, and you can't prove any of it to them.

When you are administrator of something, I would assume they could see what members are in this guild, which alliance it is in, etc regardless of what they say an admin can or cannot do. Do not know if they are admins however.

Guarantee those less members were back in Axis within ten minutes of that game ending. Take a peek into axis is all they would have to do to prove they are all axis members. Whether this would be getting one of their puppet accounts in the guild, or using some kind of admin power which I would assume they would have. Wouldn't even have to peek inside the guild if they had an admin power that could look up a players name and it showed what guild they were in. Or even one that could just look and see how dead less is, and how it is being used for synching. There's just so many things that are possible, they have to be able to do something.

Shayne Hawke · Apr 18, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by lemming

and hope that none of the other champ syncing groups are playing.

wait, what? Wouldn't more champ point syncers be better for business?

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 18, 2010, 08:39 PM // 20:39

I say find the offenders and ban them all, permanently. Make an example and other people will be far less likely to do it.

*lemming* · Apr 18, 2010, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Death Syndrome

When you are administrator of something, I would assume they could see what members are in this guild, which alliance it is in, etc regardless of what they say an admin can or cannot do. Do not know if they are admins however.

Guarantee those less members were back in Axis within ten minutes of that game ending. Take a peek into axis is all they would have to do to prove they are all axis members. Whether this would be getting one of their puppet accounts in the guild, or using some kind of admin power which I would assume they would have. Wouldn't even have to peek inside the guild if they had an admin power that could look up a players name and it showed what guild they were in. Or even one that could just look and see how dead less is, and how it is being used for synching. There's just so many things that are possible, they have to be able to do something.

I doubt that they have the ability to examine what guilds an account's been in. Even if you could ask them to look at the ladder history of Less, a loss to Axis every night isn't exactly ironclad proof of shenanigans going on.

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

wait, what? Wouldn't more champ point syncers be better for business?

Nope. The system employed is reliant on only getting paired up against the guilds you're syncing in. Since other champ syncers would be in a similar rating bracket, matches against them would be inevitable. Every single match you get against another guild is one match wasted that would have been a champ point. In addition, if your entire team doesn't quit out before the match starts, you'll ruin the rating on one of your guilds, and it takes a non-negligible amount of time to fix that.

TLDR: if you try to sync when there's other guilds playing, you're lowering your rate of return significantly.

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 18, 2010, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by lemming

I doubt that they have the ability to examine what guilds an account's been in. Even if you could ask them to look at the ladder history of Less, a loss to Axis every night isn't exactly ironclad proof of shenanigans going on.

Unless, of course, the people doing this made the mistake of talking about it ingame (say, guild or alliance chat) in which case I believe Anet can just go through the records.

The Mountain · Apr 19, 2010, 02:38 AM // 02:38

I still say observe for all 1200+ guilds would solve the problem. If you don't think so, take a step to solve it on your own. The community who is bothered could simply gather together and GvG (in two or more groups to avoid the syncers Xing out)from 1am-6am EST, and the farmers would lose so much rating, they would eventually be forced to quit (or they'd l2p).

dr love · Apr 19, 2010, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Death Syndrome

Bots are not bannable either, evidentally this wasn't proof either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne-Fne4O2-U

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9584/gw020u.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4094/gw019v.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5451/gw018.jpg

lol that was some pro synced d-shots. I wonder if the botters were even aware they were doing that.

As far as the syncing is concerned, the best choice in my opinion is just leave it broken. That way, at least any new comer can exploit it just the same as the 10000s of players from yesteryear. It's broken and fair for everyone.

Another way to look at it is:

Let's say you have a top rated GvG guild but you want to tank it for god knows why. So you go resign out a bunch of ladder matches. Your opponents get free champ points and rating boosts. Is it wrong?

What if you told your friends you're sacking your 1300 rating guild, so they all form up and happen to 'sync' against you for some easy wins. Is it wrong?

Now, lets say you wanted to sync a competitive ladder match because you wanted to prove rawr really is better than KMD. It works because there is a lack of competing guilds during certain hours and you can leave the match beforehand to not lose rating/save time because you only got 30min to beat KMD. It would be easy to do. Is it wrong?

Lets say you wanted to sync an uncompetitive match because you want to screw around with your friends and have fights with the catapult. Is it wrong?

Lastly, lets say you wanted to sync champ guilds in an uncompetitive (winner already decided) and cooperative manner. Is it wrong?

If you think all of them are inappropriate, then you probably shouldn't be playing video games. If you think only a few of them are wrong, then I think you're being a hypocrite.

Still Number One · Apr 19, 2010, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Another fix besides the one Lemming pointed out on page 1 is to change observer mode from top 100 guilds to guilds with 1200+ rating. In order to synch they have to be in dead times. If they are in champ range playing in dead times, they really can't avoid popping up on observer. IF they appear on observer, there is a good chance that a.net now has evidence against the guild and therefore will hopefully lead to more bans.

NoConnection · Apr 19, 2010, 04:13 PM // 16:13

well i know a guy that tried to deal with this shit, he wrote a wall of text to gm's what exactly to do and how considering the minimum powers they should have and how they can find those syncers and ban them but they just replied that they cant do that and that they might ban innocent people. He used to have screenshots of guilds and matches inside the games but still nothing